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Spook - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 11:55
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Hi everyone,
I am Nicky Huang from Taiwan
( the country that kymco company located).
I am big scooter club member of Taiwan ,
Maybe we can discuss the experience about modify xciting.
※ My English is not good, but I wil try to communicate as possible.

Here are some modified about transmission pulley by myself,
I hope can share with everyone.

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transmission pulley case extra work
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you can see all parts
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1.fan plate
2.variator
3.rollers
4.springs
5.driver spring
6.clutch
7.clutch bell

1.fan plate:
left:original fan plate used 12000km ; right:original fan plate used 6000km (on my xciting now)
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Both two fan plate are kymco original parts,
but you can see the track of belt have the most transmission zone.

2.variator:
left:original variator used 12000km ; right:original variator rollers track extra work used 6000km (on my xciting now)
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3.rollers:
Dr. Pulley 28 x 22 size
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※Note that the install direction.

4.springs:
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5.driver spring:
Original driver springs and washers.
The 30% hardness driver spring on my xciting now.
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6.clutch:
left:original clutch used 200km ; middle:original clutch extra Ferodo and Malossi ; right:Dr. Pulley new type Hit Clutch
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You can see the Ferodo is lengther than others.
Dr. Pulley's new type Hit clutch ( with 4 clutch weight ),
I can adjust the cs and ps springs to get the higher performance I need.

7.clutch bell:

To improve violent shake when the xciting starts.

left:original clutch bell ; middle and right:clutch bells with extra work
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left:original clutch bell ; right:clutch bells with extra work
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Testing...

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The clutch bells with extra work to become rusty more easier.

Must to extra work,

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Improving xciting is a long way to go.

But, to be continue...

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The experience about modified transmission pulley.

●CVT transmission and gear-change bicycle transmission :
You can imagine the man ride a gear-change bicycle,
If you want to get fast when starts,you will use the smaller front gear and bigger rear gear.
When the bicycle speed become faster,
you will change the bigger front gear and smaller rear gear to arrive top speed.

In CVT transmission,
1. Engine likes the man who ride bicycle.
2. Belt likes the chain.
3. Total front variator assembly like front gear of gear-change bicycle.
4. Total rear pulley assembly like rear gear of gear-change bicycle.

More detail about point 3:
Inside of the variator (like smaller front gear) to administer the low speed zone,
Outside of the variator (like bigger front gear) to administer the high speed zone.

See the photo as below:
left:original variator used 12000km ; right:original variator rollers track extra work used 6000km
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You can see the original variator can't use that.

1. Variator rollers track extra work can increase the range that rollers can use,

so the belt can be pushed outside at the high speed zone.
(like gear-change bicycle can use the bigger front gear.)

But it will loss the time to use smaller front gear at low speed zone.

2. Add washer to increase the length of boss,can make the belt to fall inside of variator.
(like gear-change bicycle can use the smaller front gear.)

But it will increase the fan plate and variator distance,

can't to use bigger front gear at high speed zone.


Point 1 and 2 seems conflict,but you can get high performance if you tuned well!

Making the 15 step gear-change bicycle becomes to 21 step gear-change bicycle.

In fact, the knowlage of CVT is not so simply.

Must consider the dimension of belt, time of rollers move, and centrifugal force...etc.

If you can spend more time to look, listen and learn,

I think you will get many experience!

I spend so much time to translate my theme, so tired...

I hope it is useful.

Best Regards,

Nicky

Reiku - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 12:24
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SIMULATION - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 13:07
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Is a really phantastic work. Congratulations Spook.

angelote - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 13:09
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Huang Nicky Hi welcome to the forum and hope that you are comfortable with us, the story you sent us fabulous. OK.
If you do not mind go to presentations and tell us something about your bike and you and if possible we put a photo.
Greetings

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richi - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 13:55
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JOSE - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 20:51
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Hello, Nicky Huang, welcome to this forum, I hope you're comfortable with us. Good job that we've presented. In this forum we are delighted that fellow xciting another forum or club, we say hello. Sorry for the English, but translation of google.

Regards

KOK - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 22:39
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Very very interesting, thank you very much.

kok

jarjarbeens - Mié 21 Apr, 2010 23:51
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What do you mean by "clutch bells with extra work"?

Spook - Jue 22 Apr, 2010 04:01
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jarjarbeens Escribió: [Ver Mensaje]
What do you mean by "clutch bells with extra work"?


It used the "SAND BLAST" extra work

like this http://www.taitz.com.tw/sandblast_title.html

To make the original clutch becomes more rough, and to increase heat sink and friction.

kUcHilla - Vie 23 Apr, 2010 07:11
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Hello!

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On the second clutch i can see that not all ferodo surface it's wared down. Then i think that malossi clutch isn't rather improved, really?

About Dr.pulley clutch. How much it costs? Where we can find it?

Thanks.

kUcHilla - Vie 23 Apr, 2010 07:12
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Spook - Sáb 24 Apr, 2010 02:52
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Because the extra ferodo surface are longer than original surface,

maybe the ferodo surface are too thickness and can't use all of suface in a few time.

Maybe that can improve after use longer time.

Most people like to extra ferodo on the original clutch, it can improve violent shake when xciting starts.

http://forum.jorsindo.com/thread-2180238-1-3.html

About the Dr. Pulley company, they made many useful products of transmission.

You can find many video that people shared in youtube about their products.

The GP800 used J.COSTA Variator and Dr. Pulley Hit Clutch make my eye-opening !


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Here is the topic about xciting use Dr. Pulley Hit Clutch.

http://www.burgmania.net/forum/inde...&showtopic=8258

I have sent to Dr. Pulley company to ask about the agent in Spain.

I will tell you soon, after they reply me.

Best Rgards.

richi - Sáb 24 Apr, 2010 09:24
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thanks and congratulations for your work spook
you are very grateful
greetings


gracias y enhorabuena por tu trabajo spook
te estamos muy agradecidos
un saludo

jemdarts - Sáb 24 Apr, 2010 12:22
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Zhairus - Jue 29 Apr, 2010 20:09
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Spook - Vie 30 Apr, 2010 09:14
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jemdarts Escribió: [Ver Mensaje]


Yes, it is.

The Dr. Pulley company reply me some link as below:

http://www.turbokit.net

http://www.turbokit.net/portal/imag...wf/Rodillos.swf

http://www.turbokit.net/portal/inde...d=75&Itemid=190

Best Regards.

Spook - Vie 30 Apr, 2010 09:31
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Zhairus Escribió: [Ver Mensaje]


We can buy these parts on the kymco website in taiwan.

You can see more detail and price of these parts:
http://www.kymcorider.com/home/prod...1&fid=100&cid=1

exchange rate:1 TWD = 0.023605 EUR
I think if use transnational parcel the transportation charges will higher than the components itself.
Maybe you can ask the local kymco parts company , or try another way to buy that.


Best Regards

RAYJASPER - Lun 07 Jun, 2010 16:16
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Hi,

You can get Dr.Pulley tuning parts ie. sliding roller weight SR2822 & HiT251702 for Xciting 500 from www.turbokit.net
And through following website you'll find the throttle response of CVT vehicles with HiT clutch becomes very instant that means the capability of hill-climbing,overtaking and maneuverability in slow speed is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZ9x1ZHWxY -- Dynotest 2 cf moto dr.pulley--
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewto...+CLUTCH#p428648www.turbokit.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZ9x1ZHWxY - cf 2 Dynotest moto dr.pulley -
# p428648 http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewto...ilit=HiT+CLUTCH - Instalado deslizadores DP y Hit embrague

RAYJASPER - Jue 21 Oct, 2010 15:52
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Hi,

here's several videos about Dr.Pulley HiT282201 (previous part no. HiT251702 ) in Kymco Xciting 500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfCcOoD3-I --Dr.Pulley HiT282201 in Kymco Xciting500, installation.MPG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_p1H1Hrro --Kymco Xciting500 with Dr.Pulley HiT251702.MPG

soilengreen - Vie 23 Sep, 2011 17:16
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Testing...

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Que habra usado para hacer los cortes?, una dremel con un mini disco?

RAYJASPER - Sáb 24 Sep, 2011 01:54
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Testing...

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Que habra usado para hacer los cortes?, una dremel con un mini disco?
http://www.xcitingclub.es/viewtopic...ight=pulley+hit --Embrague Dr. Pulley


in my opinion,in the beginning the GROOVED line will provide some resistance to the wear pad on clutch shoes and it seems the friction coefficient of wear pad becomes higher so the GRAB force of clutch becomes better.
But the wear pad will be worn quickly by the grooved line then after the while the grooved line will be filled with the powder of wear pad then the GRAB force will become lower.

soilengreen - Sáb 24 Sep, 2011 11:10
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Link
Dr. Puller y el mejor variador es el J.Costa

richi - Dom 25 Sep, 2011 16:23
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Spook - Mié 05 Oct, 2011 16:51
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All i have done


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http://forum.jorsindo.com/thread-2183539-1-1.html

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Spooks-Xciting-500/107137546012236

barbajavi - Mié 05 Oct, 2011 17:56
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Gracias por los videos chicos ( Spook y soilengreen ), me han parecido muy interesantes.

SALUDos

jontego - Dom 30 Dec, 2012 02:30
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Hi spook:

What`s your air filter and your carburator?

regards

pjvreis - Lun 31 Dec, 2012 01:06
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WAW
A value added member.
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pjvreis - Lun 31 Dec, 2012 01:39
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